No harm/no foul then
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Poor little babies, may be we should use some of their own methods.
Why don't we just shoot them and get it over with.
If we get information from these "prisoners" that ultimatly save american and british lives, then I don't give a fuck'all (sorry sluggo) what tactics are used to get that information.
I do not condone physical abuse. I fully support psychological abuse.
PSYOPS - Because physical wounds heal!
And to follow-up my earlier post, I'm not saying we shoudl take the high road because of what the rest of the world thinks of us; quite honestly, I couldn't care less where we rank in the court of world opinion. Nope, I feel we should take the high road because of what it tells us about ourselves. It's a matter of pride; we are Americans, we are above that. I agree with Jumper to the extent that I have no problem extracting information. But to humiliate without reason, it accomplishes no end.
If it was up to me, I would jam a pigs dick down their throat and watch them suffocate.
When you see these pictures, remember 911 and smile.
Great Post:
Left Versus Right--Can We Close the Great Divide?
Posted by Barbara Stock
Tuesday, May 11, 2004
Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was put on a spit and grilled over hot coals by one committee after another last week. Democrats from all over the country are calling for his resignation because of the actions of a handful of soldiers in a prison half a world away. In their opinion, Rumsfeld is responsible for this scandal. Bush is also responsible, of course, because the buck stops with him. The behavior of every American soldier everywhere in the world leads directly to the oval office.
This is interesting since none of those congressmen screaming the loudest from the left knew what their commander in chief was doing with an intern just a few hundred yards from their chambers, and when they did find out, they did nothing but circle the wagons to protect him.
Perhaps those on the Congressional Oversight Committee should resign as well. After all, it?s their job to oversee the activities of the military and so--in light of the recent news--they obviously were not doing their jobs. Should any senator or congressman who voted for the war be held responsible?
Instead of hitting the problem head on and dealing with it, some have chosen to make this prison-abuse problem a political weapon. We Americans have witnessed the same phenomena with the 9/11 Commission. Finger-pointing and back-stabbing are the norm in our capital on any given day, but these days, it has reached epidemic proportions.
Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, one of those under investigation, tried to get the word out. Fearful, he contacted his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who, in turn, wrote to 17 congressmen explaining the abuses going on at the Abu Ghraib prison. Lawson told The New Yorker that he did not receive a single response. The investigation was talked about openly in briefings from Iraq. The media knew, the military knew, but now, many of those same indignant politicians are screaming: ''Why didn?t we know about this?''
The truth is that they probably knew. These senators and congressmen and women knew this scandal was out there and it was only a matter of time before those horrible pictures were on the front page of every newspaper in the world. The closer to the election the abuse became living color front-page news, the better. Solving the problem was the last thing they cared about. The safety of our soldiers in the field most likely never entered their minds. Even America?s reputation around the world would have to take a back seat. Sticking the knife of blame in President George Bush?s back by shoving it through Donald Rumsfeld was the primary objective.
Instead of suggestions to solve the problem and attempts to repair the damage, all that is heard from the leftists is, ''Someone must resign!'' ''It?s a symptom of the ?failed Iraqi policy? of the President.'' Teddy Kennedy has said that Saddam?s ''torture chambers'' just opened ''under new management.'' This year, everything is politics. It is politics most foul.
When did this vast, seemingly insurmountable gap open up between the left and right in America? There have always been obvious differences between the two main political bodies in this country, but when there was a threat to national security and especially in wartime, the differences were put aside for the good of the country.
Now, however, the needs of the Democrat Party seem to be more important than the good of the country. The safety of our soldiers in harm?s way is forgotten for political gain. The enormous good that has been done by 99.9% of our military is trampled on for headlines and some perceived slight political gain against the present administration.
The media fuels the fire. The Nixon Watergate scandal gave the press the power to affect the political landscape in a way it never realized was possible. The press now has a power it will never give up. The vast majority of journalists have admitted they are liberal. Thus, anything the media can do to assist the liberal cause, which is also its cause, most journalists will do. The modern American journalist doesn?t report the news, he tries to design it.
Press conferences from Iraq spoke of ''investigations into allegations of abuse of Iraqi prisoners'' in January of this year. For the most part, it was ignored. It was not a story then. But when pictures, with the smiling faces of American soldiers tormenting helpless prisoners surfaced, it became the ONLY story. It became the earth-mover that Bush-hating leftists needed to undermine the credibility of the president that many in the media love to hate. Bush?s ''immoral war'' has led to ''immoral'' behavior within the ranks. Leftists act as though this is something that has never, ever, happened before.
Leftist are crowing that because of this one scandal, America will lose the war in Iraq. What rubbish. But leftists will plant the seeds of defeatism whenever possible. In fact, leftists can demoralize the population and the soldiers in one fell swoop. The anti-war, anti-Bush crowd can barely disguise its glee over the embarrassment to the president. John Kerry is even using this black-eye on America to raise money for his campaign.
Americans know that the Arab world disliked us before the war, and during the war, and it will continue to dislike us because most do not want democracy in the Middle East. Democracy will threaten dictatorships and kingdoms. News of this abuse to Iraqi prisoners gives the Arab media ammunition to whip up Muslim fury, but, for the most part, the constant barrage of pictures and demanded apologies and resignations from our own politicians is not for the sake of Iraqi people or the Arab world. It is to degrade and disgrace the President of the United States and to undermine the war in Iraq.
While the Iraqi people are upset and rightfully angry at the treatment of their people by a few, they also sneer at the indignation of their Arab neighbors who ignored their plight for decades. At this time, the Iraqi people are wiser than many of our politicians. They are shocked at the actions of some American soldiers, but the vast majority of Iraqis know that despite all of it, they are better off now than they have ever been and it wasn?t their Arab neighbors that put their lives on the line to free them. Our media people are talking about the prisoner abuse non-stop. The pictures are shown on Arab TV every hour on the hour. For some of the Iraqi people, it is nothing more than life as usual?as it was before the Americans came, just not as bad and certainly not as publicized. The Arab world certainly didn?t care.
If the fact that America is at war does not close this gap, the fear has to be that nothing will close it. It has now become a mountain that cannot be climbed. No longer is this country united against an enemy but it has become a country torn apart from within by a desire for political power.
Abe Lincoln, who witnessed the worst and most wrenching ripping apart of America, knew in his heart that America must always stand united to survive when he stated: ''A house divided against itself cannot stand.'' Once again, we stand on the brink of being torn asunder by hatred from within.
Barbara is a registered nurse who enjoys writing about politics and current events. Her website is at http://www.republicanandproud.com and she receives e-mail at: [email protected].
And we should apologize for the treatment of some worthless prisoners? Filthy pieces of camel dung
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That poor man. That's it, I am done.
"We have blunder after blunder after blunder," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said Thursday on NBC's "Today" show.
As opposed to Chappaquidic which he did on purpose and his father's money silenced.....
You know, it's easy for all of us to second guess the president and say what we would do or not do. But in any given situations, we cannot truly say what we would do in another person's shoes. I just know that I would not want to be President for all the money in the world. It is not easy for President Bush to do any of the things he has had to do and all of the second guessing in the world does not matter. He has to make the decisions and he has to live with the consequences - good or bad. I'm not saying that I agree with everything he say or does but I am saying that I am mighty glad that I DO NOT have to make them. I'm sure President Bush as well as Clinton and the others before them all had to make decisions that were not popular nor pleasant or Right but they all are doing and did the best they can do. Can we all say the same???